sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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Your voice is small and limited, now more than ever. You have one vote, which is permitted infrequently and only by statute. Public hearings are orchestrated mostly by those with a vested interest in a project or proposal. Projects, developments and personal desires are being pushed through; for the benefit of a few and often not in the best interest of the majority.
Post loudly and opine often, when given the opportunity. The voice of the masses is slowly being silenced and it's credibility dissolved in a sea of left-wing propaganda.
Talk about gives you the opportunity to be heard. Take advantage, because those more interested in personal gain are very busy these days; in case you haven't noticed.
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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I am beginning to think that all the posters have left Pagosa, as '"talk about" has grown cold.
Are you there?
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Boomerkid
Registered: 12/19/08
Posts: 22
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Maybe a few have left town, a few have just given up any hope of things changing for the better in Pagosa, and a few (myself included) are taking a wait-and-see approach. I think by next summer we will know what direction Pagosa ends up going. The national economy of course will play a big part in that, but this year will be a real test for our new local leaders/decision makers. |
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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Thanks for responding Boomerkid. I am sure you are right, especially about people waiting to see what happens.
I do know personally that many have left, choosing to take a chance on somewhere else.
It is unfortunate that many will decide that their opinion doesn't matter and nothing will change in Pagosa.
We must continue to speak out and hope that people are listening.
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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I did think that this thread would generate interest in local affairs and some insightful dialogue. I apparently was mistaken.
There could be several reasons for this lack. I am beginning to think that very few people even take a look at this forum. They either don't care or think that it is a waste of time. Maybe they are right, I don't know. Historically, it does seem to be a common belief in Pagosa--a very narrow focus, nothing beyond their daily trail.
I am wondering how many people are now at a crossroads like myself. Pagosa and the economy has needled me into a short window of life-changing decisions. Three months from now, I don't know where I will be or what I will be doing. I have seen that over and over again in Pagosa, so much so, I am convinced that this is the norm.
The disconnection remains, now bolstered by the fear of the future, both locally and nationally. I wish it were different, for my kids and grandkids sake.
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Ded
Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 39
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Sensetalk: Nice to see someone has not thrown in the towel vis a vis posting here, but then you have the apathy factor, the fear factor (what if they find out I said it) or maybe no one actually cares enough to try and vocalize their feeling and put them out to see.
I bring this up because when I logged in today 3/08/09, I was surprised to find out that my last vist was listed as 3/07/09 @2:55am! Now I don't stay up that late for very much, let alone to check what's been posted here. Now I either have to think a mistake in the system was made, or security regarding passwords and other personal information may be getting accessed by either hackers or by administrators of this website.
Should it be a hacker, so be it, but if it's a person with admin access, then that is a violation of every code of ethics in the blogosphere. There has to be absolute trust in who runs this board and unless there are personal threats of violence or other violations of the agreement, I expect my information to be kept confidential. Anything otherwise leaves you a sitting duck if you post an opinion opposite that of the administrator, everyone who is on the other side now knows who said what and that can get very ugly very fast.
This message board should be treated like a reporter and their source's agreement, that is to keep it confidential. Maybe a mistrust of losing that anonimity is a factor in the slowig of posts? I would think some of the people besides the few here have something to say, but what? Lord knows some of the blowhards that inhabit the Letters to the Editor would use this forum as well as other groups with a vested interest in a successful Pagosa.
As I wrote on Dry Gulch and you replied, it looks like the scenario I spoke of. As for the skate park, any money spent to give kids a place to go do something besides drugs, burglaries, things kids do when the have nothing else to do is better money spent than trying to improve whitewater rafting in the San Juan. There is a waste of money if ever there was one! Look around and there are more to be found, count on it.
There may be people leaving Pagosa, but thet're still coming in from the Golden State. If anyone in Pagosa could entice a manufacturing plant to come there, there is no reason that it couldn't succeed but then reality comes in and I remember people going to Durango to shop with gas @ $4.00/gal. so there must be too much money there already. City Market has no competition, yet Wal-Mart was banned as was any store big enough to compete with them? Must be nice, follow the money and find out who profits from CM. There could have been the "no big boxes" supporters but that's another story. Spring is coming and maybe the tourista dollars, but don't rely too much on it, there's more fun places to go than Pagosa. Ded
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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Talkabout is going stale again, with no posts since March 21.
What is going on with everybody? I know I am in the process of moving to another house but still have time to check the Sun several times a day.
Surely, somebody has something to say?
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Ded
Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 39
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Sensetalk: Hey, it could be Spring Fever, getting out of the house for some sunshine or just maybe no one cares? Hey, check out Davey's Wave...that has to be a happening area of town or you can just discuss the geothermal hothouse. Just don't tell anyone there was already one there and no one got rich from it. Hope you get moved ok. Ded.
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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Well, we have gone 10 days without anyone posting again. What are people doing?
I have noticed some really vacant lots at stores around here lately and heard of at least one big place closing.
I sure wish people would speak up!
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levelhead
Registered: 01/13/09
Posts: 4
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Okay - here's a post for all you post-hungry TalkAbout folks. I really hope this thread generates not just comments, but genuine contemplation and discussion. Maybe I'm way off base.
A couple of years ago, when the Community Vision Council first unveiled its preliminary sketches for a possible revitalization of downtown, then with the talk of a new Rec Center, and numerous other potential projects, I became painfully aware of a trend. Here in Pagosa, we tend to be AGAINST things, rather than FOR things. Ask anyone on the street what they're against and they can list a handful of things off the top of their head. But ask people what they support and it may get a little more difficult. Or the things they support might just be a rewording of things they're against: i.e. "I'm for keeping Pagosa Pagosa (read: I'm against change)."
But I don't think the problem is limited to Pagosa; I see it on a national level all the time. Bottom line: it's easier to be against (criticize) an idea than to present an alternative. Maybe our community would feel like a more positive place if we could frame our thoughts in terms of what we're for instead of what we're against...
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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That is an easy one. I am for a lot of things. I am for attracting businesses to Pagosa that employ people and pay good wages. I am for a big box retailer. I am for another grocery store. I am for tons of tourists, just as long as the locals come first in decision making. I am for capitalism and free market enterprise. I am for saving Pagosa as a viable entity and not afraid of change. |
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Boomerkid
Registered: 12/19/08
Posts: 22
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Ditto to what you said above sensetalk. Had we implemented your suggestions a few years ago the town would not be in the sad, stagnant situation that it is currently in, i.e. people moving away, sales tax revenue decreases, few people moving in, etc., etc. I don't know how many people are still here with their "Keep Pagosa Pagosa" mindset, but it would be interesting to see how their way of thinking has effected them in this current economy.
I still feel this area has great potential and could be a world class destination without becoming another Aspen.
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Lilly
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1
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Well living in the flat lands of central Oklahoma isn't peachy. OKC is growing, more concrete, less trees, more Walmarts, hundreds of housing additions, traffic sound is horrific ...forget looking up at the stars...
So to me, Pagosa is closer to heaven than it is here. Anyone with a small, cheap, place, with a little land that my dog can tramp about ... to stay a month this summer, even for 2 wks .. drop me a line.
Grandma Lilly
lucydiamondrogers@gmail.com
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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Has everybody moved? I cannot believe that no one has posted on this forum in nearly a month!!!
It is not hopeless and we can make a difference if we rally together. This is as good a place as any to do it.
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Sherrill
Registered: 12/11/08
Posts: 98
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Do the weather, school starting, seasonal visitors leaving, PLUS the economy suffering, not much to do in Pagosa and the high prices/no choice of everything have anything to do with the lack of interested people in this terrific forum?
I've been enjoying the outdoors as much as possible in anticipation of the long winter ahead. What is on your mind, sunsetalk2000? |
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