davo
Registered: 07/21/09
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ive never been in or seen a town with such idiocy,ive lived in 4 states,calif,utah,az and in col(pagosa).it seems to me everyone complains about growth,and yet u still cant have a fence ,or at least one thats a little different,mcdonalds is here so why not bugerking,because the town doesnt want it.oh and dont block my veiw with your project.the problem is there is way to many old timers running the show.lets face it you want change,then change it.let buisnesses come to town ,quit blocking it. a young family cant even buy a house there,cuz theres no jobs.the town has no industry,no real white collar jobs,no tech,,,,,nothing.youve got cops writing tickets for someone going 5 over the speed limit cuz theres nothing better to do.i mean there is some real stupid stuff going on here...look at the rest of the world cacth up will you.there are builders who cant nail 2 boards together to save there life,and they are general contractors?the town doesnt want to save water,it doesnt want any real buisness or industry,so its no wonder people are moving out,,,,,,just look around you . |
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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Davo, thanks for submitting that post. Sadly, your view of Pagosa is mostly accurate and has been in place for a long time.
You have no voice though sir, except on election day. Any other time, your opinion is worth nothing and in reality, would rather not be heard by those making decisions. They are going to do what they want, regardless of who it hurts or affects.
With the exception of the great "bubble" in the construction and housing industry, Pagosa has been slowly dying as a town and attempting to emerge as a sanctuary for the upper class. The airport for them is already in place and the only thing left is to force the lower classes out of town.
Soothing words are often spoken about how "they" are concerned about jobs, small business, housing, health care and so on, but everything "they" do in reality, drives one more nail in the coffin.
Now, "they" are in a quandary about how to seduce the "bubble" to return, even though there is not one shred of evidence that it will "boom" again. It is obvious that "they" feel the only hope for Pagosa is in buying, selling and building houses. What they should be doing is circling the wagons before the town is virtually void of those who have to work for a living and becomes nothing more than a drive-through, tourist stop.
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georgeho
Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 14
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I think we need to take a step back for a moment, there that's better...First of all Pagosa will never die. We will always have tourists as long as Texas, Phoenix and L.A. exist. There is nothing wrong with living off of our visitors and services to each other. The housing crash will probably make
it easier to live in Pagosa for some. It will be hard on others to go through the transition. Maybe instead of looking at Pagosa Springs from a Donald Trump sort of view, we should look from a Mr. Roger's Neighborhood point of view.
Hey, you folks reading these posts, don't sit on your hands, join the fray, the more opinions the better. We're all in this together.
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davo
Registered: 07/21/09
Posts: 10
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Thats just what the those in the town running things would say,what a beutiful in the neiborhood,its a beutiful day in the neighborhood.......would be mine ......could you be ......my neighbor........well he's dead.......and so is this town if they dont do something,and quick |
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georgeho
Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 14
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Davo, who should do what? |
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davo
Registered: 07/21/09
Posts: 10
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mabey the town should try some green projects,apply to our illustriouse gov,get some people working,wind solar ect......and find some ways to conserve water.There are lots of things this little town can do.instead of making it hard and blocking industry ,why not go with it and use it to its benifit,get rid of the ploa,im not saying dont be mindfull of how things look or presentation by any means, no one wants a trashy town.but when george the donut maker comes to town ,let him come dont make a bunch of waves.we all have a right to beuty and want to repect the land and people too.its so selfish of people to say not in my town,or hey he's blocking my veiw.things wont get out control as long as people are mindfull of theire actions.look at what u have now .example kids.......nothing to do ,get into trouble,drugs,alchol,ect.heck they cant even skateboard around half the time.kids,moms,fathers,grandparents are every cities foundation and strentgh,but pagosa only wants those who have money,and therefore will not have a solid foundation,let me ask you something when you go off in the dicth,when the road is bad,will it be the guy in the hummer,or the guy with the beat up truck who will pull you out?thats the backbone of any place and thats what the town is losing........... |
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georgeho
Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 14
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Davo, So what industries have our local officials prevented from coming to Pagosa? |
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georgeho
Registered: 03/23/09
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I'm waiting, Davo, Bueler, Anyone Anyone... |
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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There is not much that anyone can do, except ride the wave. The tide is too strong to resist.
I first came to Pagosa in 1984 and moved here for good in 1993. Nothing much as changed, except the prices and the construction in the past 10 years.
People come and go from this town like the afternoon storms and nary an eyebrow is raised. I can name dozens of marriages that failed, after arrival in Pagosa. The area is an extremely complex mix of cultures, values and attitudes. Most of them don't really blend into one strong community. Everybody is headed down a different trail, seldom arriving at the same destination.
One prevailing attitude literally dooms Pagosa as a community. "as long as they don't bother me and my 35 acres, I don't care what goes on in Pagosa", was overheard in one conversation. Such an individualistic and hedonistic attitude sorta leaves most of us stranded on the side of the road.
You could very well shop at City Market at the same time as a dozen millionaires, maybe even exchanging a glance or even a smile. Sorry, it won't go beyond that.
There are secrets and coverups, to protect the "name brand" that is Pagosa country. All the dirty little behaviors that make the papers in most places are carefully concealed here to protect tourism.
Often new arrivals in Pagosa choose to get involved in local affairs or government, bringing with them the baggage of their "other" life. Next thing you know they are in charge of something and you might see their name in the paper, wondering who they are and what they are all about. A few years later or even a few months and they are gone, returning to the "other" life or trying somewhere new.
Pagosa is what it is and that can be a good thing for some and literally a tragedy for others. Sadly, it has been both for me, with a heavy, heavy dose on the tragedy side.
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Boomerkid
Registered: 12/19/08
Posts: 22
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Sensetalk -
What you say about the area is so true. I'm sorry to hear about the tough times you've gone through here. It sounds like you've stuck it out longer than a lot of us could have.
It is a shame that what could and should be such a nice place to live is dominated by so many short-sighted local business owners and long time politicos that are literally running the place into the ground. You are right, unfortunately Pagosa "is what it is."
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davo
Registered: 07/21/09
Posts: 10
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sensetalk,.....i am sorry to hear you've had hard times,yeah i to have had a bit of that good ol pagosa curse to.....typical coming to town, marriage turned into shambles,buisness went belly up,ect...we call this the pagosa curse,come here try to make it.spend oodles of money trying to make it,cuz it seems such a good place.and then it sets in........THE CURSE.......yeah there are some good people here,not being out for themselves ,they are far and few in between,but they are around.................................................................................. and as for Mister Rogers on here,i dont need to prove or disprove anything to you or name names,its not my place....you no whats up just as much as everyone else does.......dont play the fool |
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georgeho
Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 14
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Davo, Don't take offense man, in one of your previous entries you said that our local leaders have kept industry out of town, and that is helping to kill Pagosa. I just want to know what industry our leaders have kept out. Are you talking about some company who wanted to come here and build a plant to make a product and was dicouraged to do so, or what. I just can't think of one. |
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davo
Registered: 07/21/09
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a simple one was the ski resort,people gripped and moaned,and didnt wally world think about coming here at one time,i really dont know of all the others and i may be wrong,but i do know you cant have a fence,or a project painted unless its aproved by the nazi ploa.they try and fine you cuz you have a boat,car or anything next to your place.could it be like condominium suburbia.lets see if i had 2 acre,or just a lot ,i should be able to put up a fence,what if mama wants to cacth some rays and sunbathe naked,or i want some privey while im havin a bQ i should be able to do so.again im not sayin trash pagosa by any means........but cmon.....and i did'nt take offence thanks for youre concern.........its just who knows whats been blocked in this town |
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sensetalk2000
Registered: 11/10/08
Posts: 109
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In defense of Davo, I am quite sure businesses have seen numerous obstacles to relocation. It is just common sense because attitudes of towns travel far and wide. Put in enough fees, regulations and hoops and you have your block, pure and simple. After all, we must keep Pagosa, Pagosa.
I saw an excellent example of this while visiting in Creede recently. When several valley locals learned my wife and I were from Pagosa, they made a curious comment. They said, "we heard over here that Pagosa was now a ghost town". Can we not assume that such information has traveled beyond the San Luis Valley?
I think Davo is just baffled and frustrated by what he sees going on in Pagosa, as are most of us. He yearns for common sense and practicality in local decision making. Davo wants to see someone step up and stop the bleeding.
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georgeho
Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 14
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Honestly, I don't get it. You talk about Someone needing to step in and stop the bleeding. Name me a town in the southwest or just Colorado that isn't bleeding. How did our town leaders ruin their economies, seriously.
Every town I have been in has more real estate than they can sell on the market and tax revenues are down double digits everywhere, including Durango. Phoenix is a ghost town compared to three years ago, some neighborhoods essentially gone, shopping alls (millions of sf under roof) all but boarded up. I don't like to see the circle T gone and other local storefronts vacant but everybody is suffering. The one lifeline we have is our town and surrounding country are so ridiculously beautiful we will always have some tourists. We need to welcome them and make their stays pleasant while we continue looking for opportunities to develop new businesses as they come, and wait for the country to get it's economic house in order.
Pagosa ain't goin' nowhere...Hey, how 'bout someone coming up with an idea, a specific idea, about something we can develop here and then take it to the town council or BOCC and suggest it to them. It's pretty darn easy to complain about the problem, it's much harder to be part of the solution.
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