lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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Is there anyone out there that has not been paid by Pagosa Hotsprings Resort?
As a subcontractor?
Do any of you want to stage a protest in front of the Pagosa Hotsprings Resort? As a local business owner and frequent visitor of the Hot Springs, I have to say it is very underhanded that the Owner of the Hot springs had us deliver their products in May knowing full well - they had not - nor did they intend to pay for them in a timely manner. Our company has never had a delinquent payment from Okland Construction. In every project over the years that we have dealt with them, Okland has been forthcoming with any and all business dealings. There are several issues which I hope will come to light in the months to come. But the most important issue would be, in my opinion, the repercussions that a lose this big, will and has already effected our community. When a Business owner knows they will not pay their bill, and expects delivery of products - it effects us all. Every business takes a hit due to the fact that money made locally will or hope to be spent locally. We the small businesses are already under the pinch due to the recession. Small business is just that - small. Can they afford to take a hit and still keep employees employed? If the employees are let go then how can they afford to live and spend here? The daisy effects are big and in the forefront of many of thoughts. We the subcontractors have to pay for the product that they in good faith ordered and they received. We the subcontractors have to pay our employees wages and all the overhead that goes with each sale. Some employees receive commission on their sales. In most cases this is paid when the job is complete and paid for. These employees work hard for their commissions. The loss of income for the employee is also a not to be overlooked. How would the owner of this resort feel if every hotel guest decided to skip out on their bill. Could they stay in business? The fact remains that this resort knew that they had no intentions of paying their contractor and subcontractors in a timely manner. The Spring Resort called for delivery of their products from our company. And they did this without informing us that they did not intend to pay. Why would they not have the ethics to hold off delivery of product or services - until the time that they worked out their issues with their financing. Let alone the fact they have forced many businesses to hire lawyers to file liens. Maybe that is okay for some but I would rather spend my profits from job giving my employees bonuses or eating dinner out at one of our fine dining establishments.. Instead I will spend money on lining the pockets of lawyers. And scrambling to pay my suppliers for materials that are not being paid for. Please do remember that the owner of this property is open for business and is making money of the products they ordered and received at the expense of several local business owners in the tune of several hundred thousands of dollars. The owner does not return phone calls to the people that supplied the labor and product that allows them to operate today. Nor do they reply to intent to lien. A common courtesy phone call would have been nice. They choose to ignore us. But they sure expected the same businesses to deliver product and services to them even as late as June. Yes 5 months after they decided to stop paying the contractor and at the same they are demanding completion of the contract. Some good business ethics this company has. Wonder if Madoff is looking for a right hand outside man?
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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| #2 | Wow either no one reads the blog or the citizens of Pagosa do not have any ethics either.
not sure which it is....
very sad
The citizens of Pagosa are brainwashed or just plain stupid. No balls among you people.....not one? You sit back and let these people ruin other businesses?
Guess I will join the Resort and Spa screw everyone over......
I will drive to Farmington and Albuquerque to spend my Money..... ever penny that I can. I will no longer shop for my kids clothes in the local shops. I will no longer eat at the local establishments. I will not use the local print shops or business supply stores. I will bring in my veggies from Durango markets. I will not purchase my meats from the local butcher. I will not support the local football teams or Cheerleaders I will order my girlscout cookies from Alamosa.
You guys just sit back and enjoy it.
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sensetalk2000 Registered: 11/10/08
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| #3 | No sir. We are not brainwashed, we do read this blog and arguably, not stupid. Pagosa is what it is, verified over and over in this forum alone. Eyebrows are not often raised over much of anything. Folks are just too busy playing, traveling to their other home and not interested in this small town politics. The ugly stuff is glossed over and seldom investigated. There is no media outlet that will show interest or affect the outcome of anything. Sir, have you not noticed the marriage between the Springs and the town? The town just gave them all the geothermal water they could ever want or even need. We are all sorry about what has happened and we do stand behind you. It is certainly not the only current wrong in Pagosa but that doesn't make it any less important. |
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Sherrill Registered: 12/11/08
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| #4 | What hostility...I happen to be one of the "unpaid" and thought this area was dedicated to those people. |
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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| #5 | I am sorry I must be missunderstanding... are you going to try to settle for less like they are asking? __________________ my opionion is like a onion.....it will make you cry. |
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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| #6 | And if we take less who do we the owner's not pay? The employee's commission? The electric bill?
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Sherrill Registered: 12/11/08
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| #7 | No, I am not willing to take less or part of what is owed. We've been ripped off by so many big companies and developers it is not an option anymore...how do you plan to handle the situation? |
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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Did find it interesting that The Springs knew they were having money trouble in febuary. This shows intent that the Springs had and used the knowledge that they would not pay for the products delivered after Febuary 1st. This is theft. 100% fraudulant. The owners of the Springs Resort knew and deliberately recieved product under false pretense. __________________ my opionion is like a onion.....it will make you cry. |
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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I filed a lein. Although please understand that in a letter sent by The owner of Springs resort he stated that they were not going to be able to pay the contractor unless business picked up,,, this letter is to a 3ed party. I recieved a copy of it yesterday. And the Owner of the Springs never returned any of the 6 phone calls made from me to them regarding payment or arrangements to pick up our products. They went behind the Contractor's back and called us directly for product delivery. We had no idea there was a problem and the Springs never bothered to mention that little fact to us. This also show that the owners do not intend to pay if you are having trouble with a contractor you would state that and would have been honest. They were not honest. In fact I would call it underhanded......
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Sherrill Registered: 12/11/08
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| #10 | Fraud and dishonesty...while the unsuspecting soak by the riverside...the spa represents only negativity in my mind. I don't even walk my dog along the river walk anymore because the monster by the river is exactly that - a looming monster. Wonder if Sunset Magazine would rate it so highly if they knew how dishonest it is? |
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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| #11 | I would walk my dog along their shore.... but I would forget my doggie bag at home.... kinda like they forgot their checkbook.......
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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I will try and find out if sunset is coming back to take pictures. I will be there with a billboard right in front stating a few choice facts. __________________ my opionion is like a onion.....it will make you cry. |
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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| #13 | Wonder how much money it would cost them if some child pooped in the big pool????
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lkent Registered: 08/25/09
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wonder how many poopy diapers it will take to recoop the 70,000.00 they stuck me for? __________________ my opionion is like a onion.....it will make you cry. |
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Ded Registered: 10/05/08
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| #15 | Well, I leave and upon my return, find high drama! Does anyone know a decent lawyer in Pagosa? If I had been ripped off for $70K, someone would be paying big time...ever think that starting a picket line might do some good? Where does the town get rights to distribute geothermal water in contravenion of other existing rights to said geothermal water? How do you let the Town Board meet without packing the building and protesting? Same for the Country Comissioners? Any one sitting outside the city limits with big signs that say Rip Offs? Nah, looking in a window and getting $10K of pot plants is way more important than the Sun standing up and making this story front page news. I say this as it took a 2000 mile telcon session to get a partial understanding of what has transpired and to date of this post still have questions about it. I will assume that no other inns or hostels have been forced to close as a result of a "big box" bungalow getting built in Paradise but no big boxes i.e. "Wal-Mart" although you could make an appeal to Costco to come in, particularly if you convince your local legislators on the Town Board to find an inducement to get them there but the quality is more expensive than Wal-Mart, but I digress. If you have proof that this business has induled in fraudulent business paractices, go to court (might consider a more qualified Judge) and file liens, lawsuits for lost income, fraud, illegal and/or unethical business practices, stress, whatever. Just don't sit on your burros and do nothing but complain because that's the Pagosa Way, whine and dine. BTW Keith, saying that an entire town has no ethics doesn't exactly endear you to those that you want to support you in your cause does it? If you want to name names, name them but don't include everyone. Just out of curiosity, exactly when did you start thinking that there was a roach in your sandwich? Halfway through your work or when you didn't get paid? Look at the brightside....enough of you sue, you might end up owning a business in Pagosa! Now there, that's the ticket. Here's another gem for you...don't get involved with a geothermal greenhouse ( 1lb./food per person = +/-1250/lbs a day x 365 =456,250/lbs a year just to feed the town one lb./day/person means its not feasible, so make sure proponents of that aren't on the jury if you need to go to court. Yours, Ded |
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